Folks, Boeing is old news. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Boeing’s management decisions are an epic case study in LOL after WTF after SMH (737 MAX). Not a good move, IMHO. – Historically, they have used older aircraft because of an extensive MRO network called TechOps Stay connected via social media, or subscribe to our free email newsletter for tips on upgrading your travel and maximizing your miles! Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. The only new aircraft Delta will be acquiring are airbuses. It all comes down to price of flights. First class consisted of a total of 16 seats, spread across four rows in a 2-2 configuration. There may be a need for as many as 200 of them when traffic comes back. And those who says boeing is for profit, guess what, airbus is for profit company as well, if you don’t want for profit company maybe try a sukhoi or comac, a state owned enterprise…. Another benefit is DL can send the 717 back overnight while it will take time before the 737 will be flying again an even longer before it is delivered, so an easy way to reduce short term payments and control fleet size. If so, then look for the MAX to join their fleet. You must be mad.. Sun Express? Up until the COVID-19 pandemic started, that was a huge advantage for the airline, as other airlines have had their 737 MAX fleets grounded since last March. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. Spirit? Steve64, any answer that involves predicting the return to normalcy and/or return to normal level of air travel…..ignorant. Leverage move. Also remember that Delta had a huge MD fleet. Among the “big three” US carriers, Delta has been the only one to not have any Boeing 737 MAX aircraft on order. It is not hard to find thee airlines have terrible records. I don’t know the exact details of the labor agreement but Delta would likely have to replace the 717s with other jets to continue to be able to operate the same ratio of 76 seat aircraft.” We use ads to keep our content free. The CEO of Delta has been spamming my mailbox ever since COVID-19 and this gives me a reason to say something back. They have 100 321Neos on order along with 100+ more airbus order for different aircraft. Speculative. Period. Didn’t they know they were not fuel efficient and could only handle 110 passengers? I mean ,no one will fly Delta if the aircraft is 737 Max. On the other hand, this would be a savvy move by Delta if they had inside knowledge that the FAA was going to shut the 737 Max program altogether. Based in Frankfurt, Germany. The first flight was made by Boeing 737-700 airplane in 1997. But customers may be hesitant to fly on one once they know. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. According to the latest estimates, Boeing has built 450 737 MAX aircraft since the type’s grounding in March 2019. The only aircraft Delta is interested in from Boeing, right now, is the NMA to replace their ageing 757/767 fleet – which Ed Bastian has already come out and said so. Best seats in the plane. When you dig into it, this concept isn’t as nutty as it sounds — Delta is leasing 717s and doesn’t want them anymore, and the airline would do better with 737 MAXs. Certainly Chinese airlines will buy as many C919 as it can make but they will offer great financing terms, deals, and bribes to the growth markets in Asia and Africa. Both American Airlines and United Airlines operate the type, alongside LCC Southwest and Alaska Airlines. Learn more about the Next-Generation 737 It’s been talked about at HQs. Stick with the A220 Delta! Working closely with British Airways, Lufthansa and others, Tom provides commentary on topical issues for outlets including the BBC. The government and the … I bet you will never fly personally on the Max as you never know when its gonna dive and die. Bastian revealed that the American air carrier was in negotiations with Boeing … On the surface this might sound like the craziest idea ever, but there’s potentially some merit to it. @Andre No me hablo Francisco. Required fields are marked *. While the 737-MAX is bad compared to the A321, I think it’s better than the 717. Lots of factors at play. The owner of this site is not an investment advisor, financial planner, nor legal or tax professional and articles here are of an opinion and general nature and should not be relied upon for individual circumstances. I would love this! Reminder: OMAAT comments are changing soon. […] Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. In a time where they are likely to need a smaller fleet for a few years, it’s best to turn in planes with lease payments vs other planes that they own. I’m going to guess what DL will pay for the 737 close to what they paid 717, which is a great deal. Note: Please see my Advertiser Disclosure. The 737 MAX probably makes the best financial sense on paper given the 717 leasing obligations and how Boeing will probably sell the MAX for pennies on the dollar in several months as they continue to lose orders. Delta had eight 737-700s in its fleet as of Sept. 13 and the final planes were ferried to storage on Sept. 25. Good luck, I will fly while so I hope you all stay home. So now Delta’s shopping Boeing’s parking lot sale? Seat map of the Boeing 737-900. Sounds to me like somebody put a story out there to try and generate positive news about Boeing. Obsolete in an economy and society that MUST shift from the cutthroat ridiculous profit games that LED to the 737 MAX’s development in the first place! Delta's 737-800 are identified as 73Y or 73H and may be displayed as such on booking itineraries or schedules. In that regard, as reported by Forbes, Delta owns about 80% of their fleet, meaning they’re only leasing about 20% of their fleet, or just under 200 planes. I would never fly on Delta if they use a Max. We have a saying for fogeys like you….. OK BOOMER! Didn’t many of the DL 717 fleet come from the Trans World BK? As a Delta DM, I have really enjoyed not having to check what type of aircraft I’d be on, since I personally have no interest in flying on a 737 max, no matter what reassurances are provided. Soon the Comac C919 will come on from China, it will be worse than the 737 but it is built on a better foundation and it will outlast the 737. Also the seat cushion is only good for about 4 hours before bottoming out, unfortunately my annual winter trip to Puerto Vallarta is over a 5 hour flight. Boeing has shown no capability to even find its mistakes let alone fix them. Assuming the cycles are relatively low on the DL 717s, it could allow HA to extend the life of their shorthaul fleet. Of course at this point the problem has been reversed — having the 737 MAX grounded is a blessing, since airlines are parking most of their planes anyway. I could see the A220-100/300 replacing the 717 and A319s and the 737 Max replacing the few 737-700 (they have 10 I believe), the A320s, the lost MD80/90s and older 737-800s. This past January 2019 flights were on Airbus 319 and 320-comfortable seating and good legroom, yay! Long term operating costs will be less than the 737 generation, Embraer has been highly successful at keeping the maintenance costs low and reliability high in particular which means more profit. If the MAX ends up being binned altogether due to the non-lifting of the flying ban it’d be a great way for Delta to have their cake and eat it. Boeing should have made the NMA to fill the niche that will be opened up for flights that are too busy or long to serve with A220 class airliners, but no they had to make the 737 refresh nobody wanted, try to keep the A220 out of US markets, try to buy out the Embraer E2-Jets at an unfairly low cost. Back during good times, other airlines had to cut capacity due to the 737 MAX being grounded, while Delta didn’t have that problem. Limited Time Offer: Earn 100,000 Marriott Bonvoy points | Terms Apply. Delta flies the 737 Next Gen models 737-700, 737-800 and a BUNCH (over half the 737 fleet) of the 737-900s. After their lousy safety record everyone has been checking the kind of aircraft they are flying. Would Boeing take the 717s off Delta as soon as the order is confirmed? As a couple of posts said, more than likely the Max will be rebranded. Delta is the only one of the US big three without the aircraft type. Nearly half of the planes that Delta leases are their Boeing 717s (essentially an updated version of the MD-80): The Air Current is reporting that Delta and Boeing are considering a deal that would see the airline swap 717s for 737 MAXs: Of course there are a lot of details still to be worked out. Delta has been so focused on net promoter scores and the A321 is the highest scoring plane in their fleet. By leasing those 717s for Delta pilots to fly, Delta was allowed to increase the number of 76 seat jets subcontracted to Delta Connection carriers. I don’t know the exact details of the labor agreement but Delta would likely have to replace the 717s with other jets to continue to be able to operate the same ratio of 76 seat aircraft. So off-brand. I would love to see all those NEVER FLY MAX AGAIN people on DL MAX planes. The 737 MAX should never fly again. Delta can keep flying the leased 717’s as part of their 300 aircraft now, in order to mitigate losses and park their owned aircraft. About some 200 are narrow body jets. By leasing those 717s for Delta pilots to fly, Delta was allowed to increase the number of 76 seat jets subcontracted to Delta Connection carriers. Also DL has very old A319 and A320s from the NWA merger. Of the “big three” US airlines, American has the youngest fleet, while Delta has the oldest fleet. Now Boeing will be paying more than Embraer is worth, at the same time Boeing’s finances and stock price have crashed. In a few years, hopefully the economy would be such that they’re ready to start expanding the fleet again. It’s hard for me to believe that they are going to swap 737-MAX for 717 though. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-delta-air-idUSKBN2820FD, If you'd like to participate in the discussion, please adhere to our commenting guidelines. The 737 is a cramped and dated design and the A320 isn’t that much better, whereas the A220 is clearly an aircraft that was designed in this century. The Mad Dogs and 717s are actually a good size for a lot of Delta’s pre-C routes that are short hops into congested airports where 110 seats is a good number for demand and runway limitations, Thinks something like Pensacola-Atlanta. Opinions expressed here are the author's alone, and have not been reviewed, approved or otherwise endorsed by any of these entities. Most travelers have no idea what they are flying on, nor do they care. Delta Air Lines fleet composition as of December 31, 2019. Delta "New Colours" Boeing 737-900ER (N838DN) File Description: Delta 'New Colours' Boeing 737-900ER (N838DN) repaint for the PMDG 737-900 - By Goldstar Textures Boeing is desperate for sales. Steve64, have you forgotten that the MAX was an ABORTION that Boeing plopped out to please PROFIT HUNGRY and OLD FASHIONED airlines? Remember fuel efficiency shouldn’t be a big issue for the foreseeable future. Boeing 737 – najpopularniejszy na świecie wąskokadłubowy samolot pasażerski średniego zasięgu, produkowany w wielu wersjach od 1967 (obecna generacja od 1996) przez firmę Boeing w Stanach Zjednoczonych.. Konfiguracja siedzeń to układ „2×3” (dwa rzędy, po trzy siedzenia w rzędzie). A little more than half are Boeing (BA) aircraft but Delta doesn’t fly the grounded 737 Max. Don’t get the 737 MAX, BUSINESS WILL GO DOWN. With no outstanding order from Delta, such an order would only come as a win for Boeing. – Delta just borrowed a ton of money from the gov’t, some of which must be returned About BenBen Schlappig (aka Lucky) is a travel consultant, blogger, and avid points collector. Leave a like if you enjoyed the video! Even if it flies safely (doubtful), nobody will trust it, and secondly the 737 fuselage is narrower than a A320 series anyway, which makes it less comfortable especially in the dense configurations they are using now. Talking at Airbus regarding their current book of orders. Those must be some dirt cheap prices to make that investment now. Delta Air Lines is among airlines Boeing Co has approached to buy dozens of 737 MAX jets built for clients that have since scrapped their orders or gone bust, two people familiar with the matter said. It’s always entertaining when reading Max articles & looking at all the Delta fanboi’s in the comments section saying, “AtLeASt DeLtA DoESn’T hAVe ThE 737 maX.”. Me only hablo Americano. Very bad decision. Lol… look at these entitled westerner. This means that the aircraft can finally fly again, but the ruling only applies to n-registered aircraft and US carriers. While it was reported that Southwest could take some white tail 737 MAX aircraft, this would likely be in the place of so far unbuilt airframes. No carriers left in North America to avoid getting on that white elephant. Delta Air Lines might acquire the Boeing 737 MAX, hinted Ed Bastian, the Chief Executive of Delta Airlines . I believe A220’s fall into the same class of aircraft with the ratio being up to 88 mainline aircraft unlock 70, 76 seat regional jets which have to maintain the save average flight hours per day. First class of the Boeing 737-900 has 20 recliner seats that have 2-2 configuration. A number of brand new 737-900s have been delivered this year with a few more on the way under the most current order. Same simplification that AA is doing. – Boeing tried to mess with Delta using the gov’t to try and kill their A220 deal (which Delta got a sweet deal on and increased the order since) The one bright spot for Delta was that they do not fly the MAX and they had no intention of buying it. Boeing Wants To Unload 737 MAX On Delta. In many cases they probably won’t know or care if they’re flying in a 737 at all. It is thought that as much as a quarter of the aircraft that have already been built are white tails. If there is an opportunity where we would feel comfortable acquiring the MAX we’d have no hesitation doing that.” I used to fly Delta a lot because I was going to the West Coast but now I tend to head in directions better served by American’s Philadelphia hub. Of the top four U.S. airlines, Delta … Delta… Given the current market, they can park them if need be…. People are not dumb enough to board one! Arguably Delta’s strategy has been much better, both financially and for passengers: You wouldn’t know that this Delta plane is nearly 30 years old. With Boeing getting a bailout the Feds are going to expect all the US airlines that got bailouts to buy some Boeing planes. Last week the Federal Aviation Administration reversed its grounding of the 737 MAX. If Delta was to acquire these planes, it means more hassle for me, and I would likely opt for non-Max aircraft even if that meant flying on a competitor. You take, you buy MAX. 2 years ago. I for one will never fly in one and if Delta puts them on routes I need to use, I will fly another airline. Earn 60,000 bonus points | 2X points on travel and dining. At that point the MAX is likely to have been renamed and flying (successfully) long enough that most of the flying public will have forgotten what a MAX is. Boeing 737-800 Aircraft Seat Maps, Specs & Amenities : Delta … The plane had a flaw, but it was resolved and is one of the safest planes in the sky. You’re spewing nonsense. Delta Air Lines Fleet of B737NG (Active) - Aviation website for aircraft and airline information … As a business traveler, this will kill my home time, so a strong Delta Connection strategy to keep more flights in moderate size cities would be awesome! DL could be A220/737/A321 domestically and A330/A350 (maybe A321XLR) Internationally within the next 2 -4 years. However, it seems that there was some truth to the speculation. For the most part Delta would rather keep planes for a long time (or even buy them used), and just spend some money on the interiors, so that passengers enjoy the experience, Rather than spending so much money leasing new and fuel efficient planes, they’d rather keep planes they’ve already paid for, even if operating costs are higher, These planes aren’t fuel efficient at all, They only have 110 seats, so they’re slightly larger than regional jets, and about the same size as, These planes might not make sense for Delta going forward, though it’s much harder to retire leased planes than planes that have been paid for outright, Delta is leasing the 717s from Boeing’s leasing company, and Delta wants to return these planes before the leases are up, The two companies could reach a deal whereby Boeing takes 717s back early, and Delta places an order for 737 MAXs, keeping the production line going. 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